Band of Brothers vs. The Pacific
75Having Watched the full series of Band of Brothers several times over, I do consider it, hands down, the best contemporary "War Movie/Series" It blends realism, with strong characters, and presents an overall exellent potrayal of combat and the individuals who fought during the second world war in Europe.
As a result of such, I greatly anticipated the relase of "The Pacific" by same Driector and talent, as a parable to Band of Brothers, but about Marines in the Pacific. I will say that after watching up to the 3rd Episode thus far that I am slightly disappointed. I am in NO way trying to sound like a classic "BETTER BEFORE" critic, but it seems that elements of the Band of Brothers series SHOULD have been carried over.
1. For one, I missed the "intro" sequence; that is, getting to know the characters and show the bond's built between soldiers in training. This gives a very real basis to the later episodes, but gives us a foundation to compare character development throughout the series. We could have seen the Marines in intense drill; their enthusiasm peaked by the propaganda at home and words of encouragment by family and friends. This would also serve also provide a good setup for a "whiplash" to occur once the Marines enter real combat, when all their myths are shattered and they experience battle for real. (I also liked seeing nicholas cage get smacked down but that's a personal preference that should NOT effect this review :) ) Instead, we get a ten-minute intro, that hints at some better explanation, but gives little at first. I may be proven completely wrong later in the series, but this is done as of the third episode.
2. Insofar the battle sequences have been...stylized. I take fuly into account the uttely alien diference between combat in Euopre and the Far East, but it still incenses me to see war treated as some "heoric struggle" I in no way intend to be overtly harsh about this, but I notice the very quick jump to combat in the Pacific. In Band of Brothers; it took almost 2 episodes to get to battle. It built the anticipation and fear that combat is commonly assoicated with. In the Pacific, one feels the "gung-ho" attitude of the Marines, and is only treated to a few "scare" sequences, withthe overtly jumpy Marines not meeting the real foe. It feels like a poor supplement, that makes the combat less of a test of more of gradual ramped up scenes.
3. The vetrans interviews at the begining give less of an overall perspective and instead seems to either re-afrim known informaiton of provide very "Harumph" material for America. Again, this is exptected, but It would be beneficial for the audience to be given a quick synopsis or at least general descpriton of events.
2nd Rendition
Upon Re-viewing Ep. 2-3 I can fairly validate my previous reasons why The Pacific "loses" against Band of Brothers, and expand on them of course.
Our beloved actions sequences make a triumphent return yet again; with the defense of Gudalcannal in the face of numerous Japanese advantages. The battle for the heights around Henderson airfield is an epic slaughter of hundreds of Japanese troops as they ceaslessly rush the defensive line of the Americans. Again, this is mostly accurate; the Japanese are noted for creativity and ingenuity, but also for doggedly literal interpretatoins of orders and methods used to acheive them. We see the death of a standing character, and some effect ont the other cast. Most important is the cast's stay in Australia, where we expereince one of those "character building sessions" i so cringe without.
Sgt. Basilone gets the Medal of honor and is to be sent home to sell war bonds. Boom. That was a very well done plot twist that I certianly appreciate (though it sounds alot like flags of our fathers) Wars don't pay for themselves, and it's an understated issue that the U.S. still had to crank out plenty of capital to keep the fight going. This will likely be a good conflict point later when the Sgt. is likely to return, and get a fair dose of "what did I miss?" (make a good re-cap epsiode that some series just seem to NEED no matter what...)
We also see Leckie (I think this is right. I can be bad with names, but as i irked earlier we ddon't get the time to clearly identify who is who due to the quick jump to combat)
Date a local in the most involved devlopment seen thus far. We get the image that he's smart, but rough due to a difficult uprbringing, and aspires to something greater with a fair amoutn of dislusionment. His subsequent "divorce" drives him to a drunken stupor where when he is caught doing a favor for a friend and is to be split from his former company.
Again, another good twist since we will see multiple branches of the amred forces at work in a single campaign. Leckie also gets to be the angry, loved lost soldier from now on. His character i enjoy the most, but even then. The poerty he writes is an interesting mesh with the simple vernacular of the other marines. Some of the quotes and short lines he says come off as cheesy at the beginning and ending of episodes; like throwing them in just to add some moral fibre.
And yet, the best possible star has yet to make an appearence; Eugene. The white guy with the heart conditon. I actually remembered his name, and admire the time taken to introduce him. What will he be? How will his presence effect the other marines he's (obviously) going to interact with? We get to speculate a little becuase we only see his family life, and can only guess as to what performance this will entail at war. It does feel as if were replacing the old cast though, with one dead, one shipped back home, and the other sent to a different branch, I hope we'll see more interesting "new" characters shipped in with Eugene.
3rd Session
Well fellow HBO goers I have viewed Ep. 4 and 5, and I will start this by saying how infinetely more pleased I am.
Ep.4 deals with the Marines shipping out to New Britan, another small, relatively un-important island in the grand scheme of things. Here, the Marines chase the shadows of Japanese troops, and face a truly menacing foe; the jungle itself. Rained on and miserably coated in mud, the marines are pushed to the breaking point. This, I beleive, demonstrates the rigors of conflict better yet than any other episode, and may even put some parts of Band of Brothers to shame!!
Leckie's part in this story is my absolute favorite. From his point of view, we see a soldier test of tramua, and even better; disslusion. It's exellent filming as we see his will sap and finally evaporate after a raffle is held for passes home. (which he doesn't win of course) He is sent to a military hospital for mentally ill patients, and this is what makes the episode the best thus far. Here, more so than almost any Band of Brothers episode, we see the aftereffects of combat on soldiers. Leckie, observing his surrounding, doesn't feel that he belongs, denying that he could have any symptoms nearly as bad as his fellow "inmates"
His doctor is a fun quick taste, where leckie puts a few digs against the psychoanayltic school. We also see one of his comrades (whose name eludes me) that has completely broken down. The other notable expereince that sticks out in my mind is sgt. war bonds back home; screwing movie stars and basking in the glow up positive public opinion, which is hinted at being harder than it seems. Besides the sex scene having obvious attraction, this plot could wind down in a very interesting manner; again, likely resembling flags of our fathers, but the point needs to stated again about the homefront.
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Very good at grammer then me. I like the whole hub, I didn't even know this went on, but then again I believe we live as we see things. Good hub.Very good eye opener.Something to think about and ponder on while eating breakfast.
Good review, Bro! I dread war so much though! Perhaps watching these people would come to understand the horrors of war! Let there be peace, Brother!
Warmest regards and infinite eternal blessings,
Al
Learn to spell and take some grammar classes.
@spiceyfood
Too right, your grammar fails you!
Learn the difference between these two words..
'Then' & 'Than'
Typical American failure in not understanding these two words. The word 'Then' being over used in place of 'Than'
I have to completely disagree with the method this essay or "critique" used to achieve its purpose. After doing a google search on The Pacific and Band of Brothers in hopes of finding a poll with some good strong arguments, I found this mess of writing.
In fact your perception of the HBO mini series is so off-putting it is difficult to touch on the points which I did not find accurate and properly written. With maybe the exception of describing PFC Leckie for a brief second, every other statement you made about the three main characters is not the way I perceived the show at all. Whats more disturbing is that this piece(if we are to call it that) is written in such a way that any reader gets the feeling that the author almost forgets this mini series, packed with large scale film studio effects and prop sets, is actually what happened in these 3 mens lives, from THEIR perspective. Furthermore one also gets the feeling the author thinks The Pacific was a "fun" movie which could have been made "cooler" with character "set up" and "twists"
My friend, the directors, witters and cast are not thinking about what "twist" they will come up with next simply because this is not a movie of fiction. You have no "twists" , it is simply a recanting of what happened. Done in a raw, and emotionally driven way, with large scale effects for the battles bringing it to life, and a realism in the "down time" scenes which brings the screen to life with emotion and powerful acting relating the 3 men to the viewer.
I could go on and on, picking points to argue. But I just realized there is no point. And if you were a serious viewer with the intellectual capacity to appreciate what the creators did, then you would have also known all the characters names, because they did not just throw everybody into combat. The highlighted enough for us to fall in love with these characters. There is an enormous amount of romanticism correlated to how societies psychological interactions occurred back in the 40's. Teaching us more about the human in the story then band of brothers, getting way more personal and retrospective.
I am sorry, but your review is extremely poor. The vet interviews at the beginning not only give you information from their perspective but you can match up the current man with the character your watching. And lastly, the story is just better. The European theater was so different compared to the Pacific. Almost two entirely different wars and two entirely different kids. The Pacific had a lot of Southern Boys, who remind people of their friends. They were good men, who were attracted to beautiful women, and who were incredibly smart. If you watched the last episode and seen the explanations at the end regarding each characters future, you can see many of them became Ph.Ds or doctors or specialist in some field, got married and had many children. They became the life blood of this Country in so many ways. Leckie's way of describing things had a sense of realism that B.O.B. could not touch with it's characters. The shorter time between combat was due to so much more happening in terms of inter personal relation ships that they had to fit it all in.
Plus, overall due to technology increase, Pacific had better picture quality, sound quality and felt much much BIGGER
@AP
"I could go on and on, picking points to argue. But I just realized there is no point. And if you were a serious viewer with the intellectual capacity to appreciate what the creators did, then you would have also known all the characters names, because they did not just throw everybody into combat."
And that's what makes you are a Pretentious Douche-Bag. He has his own opinion, just like you. It has nothing to do with intellegence, and everything to do with taste.
IMHO I don't think Pacific can hold a candle to BoB, but that is my opinion. I don't mind admitting though that most people tend to agree with me, being that BoB is the much more superior series.
The marines had it so horrible in the pacific theater. You cannot even try to recreate the ferocity that the marines and japanese fought eachother with and the style of combat in the pacific is nothing compared to the fighting in europe.









thevoice 2 years ago
first rate hub thanks